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In Defense of Offensive Material

A couple of years ago, two friends of mine, Garrett Dillahunt and Leslie ____, came to a show of mine at The Laugh Factory.  I’ve known both of them for a decade and they’ve done tons of TV and film, much more than I have—and weathered every kind of praise or criticism you could imagine. They are also arguably more attractive and more talented.  In short, fuck them both.

At one point, I was riffing with the crowd and said, “I wanna give a shout-out to my friends out in the audience: Garret Dillahunt… from ‘No Country for Old Men,’ ‘Last House on the Left,’ ‘Deadwood,’ and Leslie ____… a black chick I used to bone.”

I’m not using the ____ out of respect for her privacy as much as I am out of fear of her wrathful African-American womenness.  Shit, I saw “Waiting to Exhale!”

Although I didn’t know it at the time, Leslie was apoplectic with rage and demanded that Garret rush her home.  When I found out, I called Leslie and left a voice mail (remember when people did that?) apologizing profusely.  I did everything I could to placate her, even saying, “Leslie, you’ve had a prolific acting career.  I’m telling dick jokes to strangers for $25 a night.”

Did Leslie have the right to get mad and leave? Absolutely, she was pissed. Was my off-the-cuff remark a stroke of comic improvisational genius? Absolutely not.

But then she called me back and told me that I was “offensive?”

“Offensive?”  What, pray tell, does that word actually fucking mean?

Therein lies the rub…

AND therein lies the central question facing comic geniuses Daniel Tosh, Dane Cook, and Jeff Ross in their dust-ups with the perpetually offended in the media and the blogosphere:  Tosh with his rape joke at the expense of a heckler, Dane with his “someone fucking shoot me” Aurora/Dark Knight Rises joke, and Jeff Ross with his James Holmes-Seth Green dig at the Roseanne Comedy Central Roast.

In case you spent the last month in a Chilean mine and managed to miss all the drama, here’s a recap:

A comedian said something at a comedy show that resulted in an audience member feeling an emotion they did not like that resulted in faux outrage that resulted in a blog that resulted in calls for shows to be canceled and contracts to be voided and careers to be ended.

While Dane and jeff Ross’ jokes merit their own discussion, I am going to focus primarily on Daniel Tosh because, unlike most of the bloggers Googling rape stats and pontificating bullshit psuedo-intellectual theories about gender politics, I was there.

Here’s a pithy paraphrase of what happened:

Tosh:  “If you’ve ever said blank isn’t funny, I hate you to the core of your soul.”

Woman from balcony (shouting): “Rape isn’t funny.”

Tosh: “You proved my point; I hate you to the core of my soul.”


Woman from balcony (shouting): “It isn’t funny!”

Tosh: “You know what WOULD be funny? If 5 guys got up and gang-raped you right now.  Like right now, 5 guys gang-raped you.”

At that point, with the audience still intact and in hand, Tosh moved onto more palatable fare (apparently?) like how the fact that we no longer have to park when we drive our girlfriends to the airport is worth at least ONE of the Twin Towers.  Not two, but one.

Before we even address the merit of Tosh’s “rape joke,” I think it’s incredibly important to state that I am writing words on a screen and my brief synopsis of it isn’t indicative AT ALL of how it was delivered (or received) during a live performance.

Regardless, let’s agree on some common ground before we get deeper into the “context:”

Whether you’re a woman who braids her Brillo pubes on Venice Beach after a hardcore take-back-the-night yoga sit-in or a guy who spray tans his balls and bids on seasons of Ed Hardy t-shirts on eBay, there is one thing all us literate folk can agree on:

Rape is awful.

It’s retarded that I even feel the need to write that statement. It’s as self-evident as saying “gay men like penis.”  Unfortunately, without putting such a prosaic statement to paper, internet trolls and humorless members of the yip yap community will label me– the way they did Louis C.K.– a “rape defender” or a “rape apologist.”

And just to be Swarovski crystal clear for said humorless trolls, I will reiterate my position: rape is one of the most atrocious acts a human being can commit. I’m way cooler with murder.  As a matter of fact, I would want to murder someone who raped a friend or family member. That, of course, would mean I would go to prison.  And because I’m totes cute, I’d probably get raped.  The circle of life, akuna matada!

Now that we all agree that rape is horrible, the next question is this:  does the fact that the ACT is horrible mean we cannot talk about it or say the word “rape” in anything but the most fretful, horrified terms? Does it have some magical Beetlejuice-like quality, where the mere utterance of the word three times in succession makes it suddenly manifest itself? RAPE, RAPE, RAPE…. Nope, butt-hymen still intact.

That brings us to the next important question as it relates to Daniel Tosh:  are we, as a society, allowed to make jokes involving the subject of rape?

Out of the gate, some people might launch into a ridiculous conceit about “a world where 1 out of 4 men get their dicks cut off!” (Can I have pointless metaphors for $400, Alex?)  or they might rattle off the harrowing statistics regarding rape.  Yes, there is evidence that 1 out of every 4 women has been raped and that 2000 rapes occur every 5 minutes.  Those stats land like punches to the gut of any non-sociopath.  However, the hard and fast satisfying sugar rush of Googled stats simply misses the point.  Because, when extrapolated to it’s farthest point, here is the underlying message of the “offended” party:  if a subject is about horrible stuff, we shouldn’t joke about it.

And if we extrapolate the same graph with only slight nuance, it becomes “we shouldn’t talk about bad stuff.”

If anything, the exact opposite is true.  Silence is oxygen for the fire of ignorance and the enemy of catharsis.

The more we can have a dialogue about anything, good or bad, the more we can find ways to address and redress it.  It is no coincidence that the therapy for PTSD involves talking about the traumatic incident over and over again until all the emotion is drummed out of it and it becomes rote, simple facts. Why do you think I tell the same jokes over and over again? Because I’m dum?

I mean, do people honestly want to ban rape jokes?  Of course not.  No one believes that.  Even the staunchest gorp-eating feminazi doesn’t honestly embrace the idea. But still the offended bloggers tries to codify it somehow:

“rape jokes are okay but never at the expense of the victim?”

Is that the rule, Gloria Steinham?  So every comedy club should now police the precise style of rape joke?  What if you have a great historical joke about the rape of the Sabine women?  Is THAT okay now because it’s shrouded in the haze of a distant millennium? Who the fuck knows, I never heard a joke about it — most comics were getting stoned during high school.

Even the most humorless third-wave feminists (triple-redundant word score, FTW!) and nerdy, bearded fat guys trying to impress Olivia Munn KNOW that categorically banning humor from the subject of “rape” is defenseless.  So, after all their profound, self-congratulatory stats, they amend their breathless outrage to a version of the following:

If the subject is something horrible, we shouldn’t joke about it … unless it’s like really funny.

Suddenly, the objective, cut-and-dry matrix of acceptable jokes on taboo subjects falls apart.  The voice, the look, the likeability, the intent, the body fat, the gender, and the sexual orientation of the potentially offending comics all come into play.

Why are the ugly girls in a group always the ones afraid of getting raped?…. What? That’s awful! You asshole! You male chauvinist!  Maybe, but that is a joke by the comic Natasha Leggero.  A very funny, petite, and cute woman.  Or as Natasha might say, very “rape-able.”  Somehow, her talent, gender, and style make it palatable to some, hysterical to most.

Natasha Leggero tells that joke understanding implicitly, just as you and I know, that you should never rape someone…. Well, unless, of course, you have a really good reason.  Like you want to have sex with someone and they won’t let you.  What the fuck!?  Terrible!  Well, I guess if it’s a woman, it’s okay?  Actually, it’s Louis C.K., who’s about as dudey as dude gets.  Even Hanes t-shirts feel faggy on his sloppy Irish male frame.  How does HE get away with it?  Well crafted and laid-out writing, impeccable delivery, seemingly logical defense of an absurd concept, and a Louis C.K. X-factor that most of us comics can only dream of having.

What about other subjects, other words? After Michael Richards, they tried to ban the “n-word” at the Laugh Factory.  Comics were deducted money whenever they said it on stage. That silliness expired when one of the Wayans brothers — I forget which, can you blame me? They all look alike…CUZ THEY’RE RELATED, you Racists! — got onstage and said:  ”So I got $80 in my pocket.  How many ‘niggers’ does that buy me?”

Which brings up another, related point: good luck banning the n-word for black comics. Go to any urban comedy club and you’ll hear it about 50 times.  And that’s just waiting in line before the show starts.

Okay, fine, well white comics can’t say it.  What about a polished, crafted comic like Neal Brennan who uses the word in a joke of his –a joke which kills every time? I mean, if you categorically want to hate him or not support his career for saying it, fine!. Don’t go to his shows and don’t buy the box set of “Chappelle’s Show.”  I sure as shit won’t ever eat at Chick-fil-A again, even though those niggers can make the fuck out of a chicken sandwich!

Then’s their pedophilia and genocide and every other horrible thing humans do that get joked about.  Ban them?  What if you have a great Sandusky joke? Does that count? I mean, who likes Penn State? I think it should be open season on Sandusky, the way it will be in his prison.shower.

How far down the rabbit hole can we go?  Would Dane’s joke have gotten such a vehement response online (based on how he delivered it live, it ended up with solid applause and laughter) if the massacre happened during a more craptastic movie like “The Watch?”  Maybe THAT’S the problem with it — don’t eff with Batman, bitches!

Being a comedian is one of the only professions where you never land. You’re always testing yourself, pushing the audience, and discovering what works.  A white comic without the brilliant mind of a Neal Brennan could say “Fuck it! Don’t censor me!” and go up and do bits on a cornucopia of sphincter-tightening subjects.  If he bombs and people hate him, guess what? He won’t get booked. It’s a remarkably self-regulating system.

But when established comics like Dane and Tosh, with almost 40 years between them under their belts, say a couple of jokes on sensitive subjects that don’t really work, is the appropriate response really to try to get them fired from Hollywood and the subjects they talked about banned from being spoken on stage? Particularly as the “offended” parties all paid to see these guys perform and, I assure you, laughed uproariously at jokes about other equally (and possibly more) touchy subjects. To those people I politely suggest they pick a number between 1 and Go Fuck Yourself.

If you insist on being offended—or insist on the right to never be offended—then you have to be offended by everything.  Otherwise, what do you stand for?  A good Holocaust joke is okay, but a mediocre rape joke is not? So women are more worthy of protection than Jews?  Okay, then you’re a skinhead with toxic shock syndrome.

Everyone MUST know it is a better policy in life to never get “offended” by jokes. It’s a better policy to realize that words aren’t ACTUAL weapons, and if you perceive them to be actual threats, your flight-or-fight mechanism is fucking confused and you have shortchanged millions of years of evolution with your abhorrent stupidity. (Oh fuck, do I have to apologize to creationists now?)

Finally, back to Tosh and his response to the woman in the balcony…

Was it particularly funny? No, and DEFINITELY not on paper.  Is it as well-crafted as other Tosh rape jokes?  Nope. Daniel’s ‘replacing-his-sister’s-pepper-spray-with-silly-string-and-that-night-she-got-raped’ joke is friggin’ HILARIOUS. And if you find that offensive ALSO and you want to write a petition about THAT, then you’re just searching for attention and need to find a hobby. Like getting fucked. But only if you give consent of course.

Maybe Tosh’s response wasn’t that funny, but there he was, acting moment to moment, responding to a shout from a heckler.  His neurons did a quick supersonic ransack of his mental archives and went with that response in the blink of an eye.  Yes, it wasn’t a Chris Rock closer.  It was aggressive, not clever, and a big bucket of “meh.”  HOWEVER, somehow this off-the-cuff flippant sentence, which didn’t lose him the crowd or subsequent laughs, became a rallying cry for people around the nation to spout their vehement and quasi-sagacious opinions and start a petition to terminate “TOSH.0” because of the “danger” of those inflammatory 3 seconds.

But if you then add to this equation that the anonymous heckler claimed that she felt she was actually “in physical danger” suddenly in that crowd… then we have to take a stainless steel opener to a can of crazy and dig into some seriously batshit by-products.

First of all, if this poor women truly felt unsafe, then I empathize and strongly suggest she is under or over-medicated or that she at least needs some therapy to deal with her social anxiety issues.  Because no matter how irresponsible his rape joke may have been, Daniel Tosh is not Rasputin and his shitty joke isn’t going to create a gaggle of 5 Manchurian Candidates to do his bidding, damned be the consequences.

And, like my skinny jean, alt comic, horn-rimmed glasses counterparts, I have stats to prove it.  0 out of 7 billion people on the planet have been raped because a comic, in a room full of non-sociopathic men, made a joke about rape. Nope, never happened.  Ever.  Google it.  Microfiche it.  Take a bus to the Library of Congress.  I’ll wait.

Then what, if anything, should Daniel Tosh be excoriated for? What is his true offense? Like Dane and Jeff Ross in the weeks after him; for being a brilliant comic who made a mediocre joke.  That’s it.  And guess what? We all do it.  Unfortunately, me most of all.

Which brings us back to our initial question:  what is “offensive?”  Being spit on. Sure.  But not words.  Words can only be offensive if the person hearing them has the response of being “offended.”  Context is everything.  “Kill the Japs!” sounds awful, but it was in a Marine marching cadence after Pearl Harbor.

Words are just fake things that we load our own fucked up and private past into for meaning. Inevitably, these fake things will carry unbelievable amounts of fake weight.  Fag, Gook, Paddy, retard, cunt, n… uh, the n-word. They are negatively connotive words, but they are still just words.

If they offend you, great, then a comedy club probably isn’t the place to be for you.

And if you still want to KNOW what the line is… it’s wherever the fuck YOU want it to be.   If you don’t know, you are welcome to come to a show and find out!  But once you do, here’s the only caveat:  shut the fuck up.  You’ll be fine.   :)

Jeff Weiss, Part 2

The theatrical run of HOT KEYS, Jeff Weiss’ aptly titled downtown production, was at once the strangest and most gratifying theatre experience of my life. Curtain went up at midnight and came down at 3am, I spent most of my time onstage oiled up and half naked, but it was the best acting work I’d ever done. Jeff forced me to forget many of the weird acting habits and pretensions I’d collected at NYU while studying my ‘craft..’ Before the first performance, he blazed up the fattest spliff I’d ever seen and nonchalantly said, ‘just jump off the mountain and see what happens.’ I jumped off the mountain for three months with that show.

It took me much longer than three months to appreciate how unique and bizarre this lower east side theatre world was. On one of the first weekends, as I left PS 122 in the early morning hours after a late night show, I was accosted by a short, chubby little gay dude in khakis and a blue button down.

“Hey Bill.”

Great, I thought, another creepy dude with money who thinks I’m some insatiable Chelsea bottom.

‘Hey, DUDE,’ I responded.

I probably made the ‘Dude’ a little more staccato and sharp than it had to be. I had gotten in the habit of appending a ‘dude’ or ‘man’ to my same-sex Manhattan greetings as a not-so-subtle way of spiking the Village gaydar with a ‘HETERO’ blast. Since I looked…well…gay, it was all I had.

“Uh, listen,” Gay George Costanza stammered, “I’m doing this play ‘Tartuffe’ in a couple of months and I think you’d be great to play the Prince.”

Really? The Prince?

That’s what my career needed as a jump start – the opportunity to play a piss-ant part for no money in some black box theatre on the 4th floor of a walk-up in Greenwich Village. The amount of classical off-off Broadway shows in the city was astounding. It wouldn’t surprise me if this show was being put on in… shiver… Brooklyn. The only thing that makes my skin crawl more than Brooklyn is the idea of doing theatre in Brooklyn. You mean I can have all the filth and danger of a big city with all the inconvenience of a shitty suburb!? Yay!

Luckily, I had an out…

“Well, I’m still in school right now so I can’t really do anything else. This show is an exception because it plays so late.”

“Okay, well my name is David Saint, and I’m a fan of your work. Maybe some day in the future we can work together. Good luck.”

And then he walked away.

Very polite, very professional, I thought. Hmmmm, I guess he DIDN’T want to sleep with me… am I losing my looks?

Jeff Weiss, Part 1

Any graduate acting program seems to suffer from the same set of awful ironies. First, they make admission incredibly challenging because they’re separating the wheat from the chaff. Then they spend the next three years reminding you how bad you suck. Second, they stress the honor and artistic integrity of being a devout theatre actor, but the only alums they celebrate are the ones that get sitcoms. By my third year in the MFA program at NYU, I was ready to shoot the esteemed faculty right in their fucking faces. Other than my acting teacher, Ron Van Lieu, the feeling was mutual amongst the faculty.

The singing teacher hated me because I was an awful singer, which happened to coincide with HER being an awful cunt. The voice teacher hated me because, try as I might, I could not get much past the third row of a theatre. The Shakespeare diction coach hated me because… let’s be honest – it’s ‘Shakespeare diction’ – it was painfully pointless and my only joy in the class derived from my ability to mock it at every turn. I was as close as you can get to being persona non grata in the NYU MFA program. As a result, I got cast in a lot of roles with “#1″ or “#2″ as their suffixes. The types with lots of standing around but only one line and it was always something like, ‘My liege, dost thou desire thy sword?’ For most aspiring actors, this kind of experience would have destroyed their spirit, Luckily, part of me knew the whole concept of a school for acting was fucking retarded and silly, so I was able to enjoy the best part of NYU every day, and that was the NY.

Still, it was clear to at least one other classmate that I was sort of unhappy there. Or at least that I didn’t fit in. So one day, this classmate, Flo, came up to me and said, “You know Bill, my boyfriend did a show with this actor in Seattle and he’s got some crazy late-night serial show in the East Village. It’s pretty weird shit, but this guy is supposed to be pretty interesting. He’s holding auditions tomorrow if you wanna go.”

Fuck it. I went. Why not?

Bill Dawes’ Thursday Callidge Nyte @ Hollywood Laugh Factory

Much like my time as host/comic-in-residence/room destroyer at the Times Square Laugh Factory in New York City, I will be doing a College Night every Thursday at 10pm here at the Hollywood Laugh Factory on Sunset Blvd.

As part of the deal, if you print out this page you and every person in your party will receive $5 off admission. Additionally, college students get in for $10 since this is…ya know…fucking College Night.

All you have to do is call the reservations number at (323) 656-1336 to get your tickets, then come armed with this page printed out and/or your student ID for the discount and/or reduced price. You don’t have to call ahead to get the discount on tickets for my College Night if you don’t want. You can just come to the club and wait in line, but waiting in line to buy tickets is like buying porn. No one does that anymore. So come one, come all to the Bill Dawes Thursday Callidge Nyte @ The Hollywood Laugh Factory every Thursday night at 10pm.

If you is smart like I is, you be coming there much times.